This post was actually saved for being my post when the server ended but with the recent events happening here on Ukx I think its a good time to throw this one out to explain some stuff.
First yes those of us in BN decided to run from the sinking ship that is DN, why I will explain a bit further down. Our original plan was to end the server and jump right before it would have ended, but instead DNs so called allies NUTS decided to Backstab DN (Which I dont even mind lol) but DN leaders decided to trust NUTS all of the server so yeah.
To begin from the start I agreed to start on this server because my good pal Tombo wanted to show me how great Ukx was. So before we started tombo contacted his former dual Felix to see if the old group was starting something and it seemed like they were but under a somewhat new leadership from the usual.
Well the first few weeks started and nothing much happened really, all seemed somewhat fine and we were getting a decent hold onto the northwest, I dont remember exactly when but It was during week 2 or 3 that we started to recruit somewhat randoms into the alliance, even though at the start of the server the agreement was that we would be a very closed alliance with mostly premades, but from what it seemed like some leaders got pretty hungry for that 1st place overall poppers, this is where some (Including me) started to question why we were doing it, but we never really got any proper answer at the time.
Meanwhile this was going on we got a couple MMs talking about us doing some Ops so we at Carmine and some other accounts got excited to see our first ally OP.
1 week later nothing further had happened, no MM saying it got delayd, nothing. So we asked on the skype chat and just got told that the leaders didnt have time to plan the OP, which is fair enough I guess would just have been nice with a MM canceling the OP so we were not waiting in vain.
Anyways we got closer to artis and some of us started having our own fun as we were starting to realize that OPs was probably not gonna happen this server, myself included.
This part Im gonna tell about now might seem irrelevant for this post but Ill come back to it later.
We were farming like many others and for some reason on this server spiking/not telling about chiefing a village was pretty normal things, so me and my dual was like lets teach one of these chiefers to not just spike their villages, so we sent one of our play hammers towards him late night followed by some cata waves, this resulted in a somewhat destroyed village and one of his alliance members following us home so we lost a decent chuck of that hammer. Anyways well return to this a bit later
We got even closer to artis and when they finally arrived we got a pretty decent amount compared to other alliances, sadly we only got a large haste which I have to thank Donkey for clearing and letting us take it, so we were then like well time to hunt for artis.
We started to make some ops with our close friends (mainly tombo) to try and steal a small haste from the alliance SC, but in the end we actually managed to steal their small trainer instead, we got pretty satisfied at the moment since now we were in control of a small trainer and could use it to our likings, or atleast we thought for the time being.
We got told right after we sent our hammers that the leaders would agree to us taking the arti for a small week to rebuild our loss and after that we would be forced to share it with some other people that had told the leaders they would be building WWR/WWKs, we were not that unhappy with that descicion since we dont mind teamplay, but when we then also was told the only way we would get a share on the trainer was to build a WWR, we got pretty upset. We agreed to play nice and agreed to do a cap rammer for the alliance.
During this time we had kept in mind the player that follow us home, wanting to take revenge for doing so.
So we started to plan an OP towards the alliance that was known as ITALY at the time, but few hours before we actually was ready to send we got shut down by leaders since they apparently had made some agreements with ITALY about them being our deffers (mainly for WW deff in the end). We got pretty mad and kept fighting for a chance to hit them over the next 3 weeks or so, but every time we got told that it had been voted amongst the leaders. We just couldnt understand what we then heard, a little before arti release if I recall correctly our good friend Tombo had been promoted to leader, So at this stage the leadership was: Donkey, Jeff, Gary, Martin, Tombo and then the primeleader Felix.
We decided to start digging around who was against ITALY and who had voted yes for taking them as deffer.
We ofc firstly asked our friend tombo if he could shine some light on who was against and who wasnt but he didnt wanna tell us anything but his vote which is fair enough.
We then asked the rest of the leaders and what we came up with was:
Donkey, Martin, Tombo had voted NO
Gary, Jeff and Felix voted YES
So we asked how did that then end up with us teaming up with them, and thats when I first heard that Felix was apparently our main leader aka his words was the law.
Anyways we decided to just get over it and continue building our hammers.
We had been placed on a rotation with Blueberry and Felix which in the start sounded pretty decent, since Tombo had told me Felix was a good player and Blueberry seemed like a nice guy. But boy we were wrong with the part about Felix. We finally got an insight to how little he actually was around, he was here for arti pickups late almost every time, one of the times we had to ask Blueberry to log onto Felixs account as he was sitting him to remove troops from the village and we would then send along cats to destroy the treasury, this is when we got curious and asked about his numbers and what a horror we was greeted with, the numbers was lower than ours, and that is with felix basically never hitting anything but a small arti if I recall correct, and we had lost everything in our cap(The rammer vill) at day 35-36 yet Felix only had like 70-80% of our hammer size even though he was building in a non cap, we then followed up and asked for queue times and this is when I basically fell of my chair, it was something along the line of 50/25/110 at the time he needed to hand over the arti, when we were running on a 48 hour sharing circle so he should have had 108 in all to actually not drop queues. Blueberry also told us that quite a decent chuck of these queues was only thanks to him being a good sitter and doing queues for Felix.
We decided to contact Donkey how come felix was on a trainer share when it was clear he was not capable to be on one and was just greeted with the pretty auberginety excuse of them not having others wanting to build WWR/WWKs and when we continued to question their decisions we ended up being ignored for the day, so we asked Tombo to bring it up in leaders chat but that also seemed to just being ignored for the most part.
The next couple of weeks didnt bring much to us, they consisted mainly of people quitting and then what happened to Frode(Placebo) which he already has told about here on the forums so no reason to say anything to this part. Only thing I wanna add to his is that its so great seeing a small AA being used on a player like Felix when it could have been on Placebo.
We then came closer to the WW time and leaders made one of their few decent decisions when they asked us at Carmine to hold the WW instead of our ever AFK leader Felix, we agreed to do so since it was likely both me and my duals last server so would be a nice way to end. Then came the realization that we needed to actually clear the WW, so leaders started looking around for player hammers to help clear the WW but guess what, we basically had none left since every single hammer except a very few had been turned into WW hammers, we got asked if we would be able to use one of our play hammers but we said no for the single reason that we at this point already felt we had given so much to this alliance compared to what we had gotten in return. They managed to find the hammers to clear it and we then got our WW.
A little extra story to tell before Ill start directly talking about my point of view on each leader.
A little after we took the WW we got asked if we had any issues with the ITALY players to join the alliance and we told the leaders we would certainly not be happy about it, and we knew we were far from the only ones saying this, yet the morning after we got on to see a bunch of new players in the alliance, so we decided to show how unhappy we were with this by kicking our sitters(Suicidesquad) and ignore all leaders on skype throughout the day(We made sure to ALWAYS have either of us here in the time so nothing bad happened to the WW) And boy the leaders got turned on by this, finally we were not being ignored, but instead of apologizing they all had their weird ways to react, Firstly Jeff was pretty calm and decided to just say that when we were ready to talk about it he was ready, Donkey on the other hand sent us a message on skype saying If you do not answer right away I will not hesitate to call on the entire alliance to zero you guys We waited an hour more (at this stage we had ignored leaders for 8-10 hours) and we then took contact to leaders. And all they said at this stage was that we should wait as they would have a vote to see if Bilbo should take the WW instead of us, 1 day later we were told that if we promised to not do something alike we would keep it, so we just said sure.
Anyways let us get to the fun part I guess, where I will tell you my point of view on each of the leaders.
Lets start with the few good ones.
Martin: Not much to say about him as a leader since it was very little I saw/heard of him and his work as a leader, only thing to say is that it seems like we have the same opinions on a lot of stuff.
Tombo: This might be biased but I dont care much he with martin was 1 of the 2 good leaders this alliance saw, he gave everything he could, was very active compared to other leaders even though he had said he wouldnt be around that much since he was busy with work etc. Tombo was one of the few leaders able to see the other leaders mistakes most of which I have covered in the top part. But sadly since most other leaders had the same opinions on stuff he couldnt do much about it. At some point Donkey fully seriously asked Tombo if he was a spy for T-Rex which at that point tombo withdrew from being a leader since he couldnt be asked to deal with those kind of accusations based on nothing.
Gary: Basically have nothing to say about Gary since we basically never got a single MM from him, never talked much on skype, so yeah Ill skip him.
Felix: Hopefully I can leave this in short, First of all how did this guy manage to keep his spot as main leader over this entire server when he was not even around 1-2 hours a day on average, is completely beyond me. His ability to also make sure that he was on a small AA rotation is also impressive even when I and others several times pointed out that he could clearly not handle it. Every time someone went to him with an issue they got some lame excuse back and even if you managed to counter that you would just get some ridiculous stuff as You gonna throw another tantrum or if this all happened in the main alliance chat he would just try and find some way to make fun of the guy that had some issue, I for once got called a Fat something once by Felix when he had no counters to my complains.
All in all Felix is not a guy capable to be main leader nor a regular leader, atleast not with him being as inactive as he have been this server, when he also chooses to ignore every complain even from the people that was with us from the start he should not be a leader.
Donkey: I actually liked donkey in the start, seemed like a nice guy with the same opinions as me, the main issue I ended up having with Donkey was that he was one of those under leaders so scared of the main leader that he never wanted to question Felixs decisions. I asked him atleast once or twice why he never was able to do anything against Felixs decisions when the majority of the leaders was on the opposite side, and all I got was We decided to make Felix main leader from the start, so we will stick to that At which point I just laughed. I truly think that behind that scared guy there is a pretty decent leader hidden, but I sadly saw very little of him.
Jeff: I started out quite early disliking him quite a bit since I know he was the one that got the whole deal with ITALY started, and Im fairly sure he was the one that managed to talk Felix into overruling the other leaders when it came to the vote, he was also one of those leaders always saying I will get some OPs planned very soon But never managed to get a single one going. Other than that I dont have much to say about him in the early part of the game. Come late game I got to know him better though since he was the ones that would be sitting our account(The WW) As I said earlier he was actually taking the whole ignoring leaders for a day quite fine, so at this stage I was on a neutral state when it came to my opinion on him, But then came the time we finally started to get incs on a lot of hammer vills and other important villages (3x/plan) and every single time he asked for deff for his hammers (a few times for plan/3x aswell, although a lot of their deff was thanks to my PDs and the awesome amount of deff tombo could pull out) never was the deff sent to other hammers which resulted in both donkey and Blueberry caping their hammer vills as they were the ones it ended out being real on. As a small note in the end, Jeff might single handedly lost us this server, we had 99 queued in the 100 right after and when 99 was getting somewhat close to being done he decided ALONE to just cancel it out of nothing this might not seems that bad, but if he had not done that the ww would have reached 99 pretty late in the evening which might have caught some people offguard (NUTS and T-Rex) so who knows the server could have been over already.
Think Ill keep it to this as Ive already wrote way too much, but a few final notes:
I know that Im far from the perfect person and Ive done my few mistakes this server, but I had to show people how our leaders are, since from the outside it surely seems like a pretty good alliance when on the inside its not even close to good.
Everything I have written here is my opinion on the leaders, and all the story I had along with this post is what I have been able to snap up from asking the leaders and reading in the chats we had on skype etc. what might have been going on further down I cannot say.
All the people I have mentioned in this are more than welcome to come and give me their opinion of what I have said, and to the rest of you thanks for the server and hope to see you again on another one.
TL:DR - Read the post you lazy bananas ;)
First yes those of us in BN decided to run from the sinking ship that is DN, why I will explain a bit further down. Our original plan was to end the server and jump right before it would have ended, but instead DNs so called allies NUTS decided to Backstab DN (Which I dont even mind lol) but DN leaders decided to trust NUTS all of the server so yeah.
To begin from the start I agreed to start on this server because my good pal Tombo wanted to show me how great Ukx was. So before we started tombo contacted his former dual Felix to see if the old group was starting something and it seemed like they were but under a somewhat new leadership from the usual.
Well the first few weeks started and nothing much happened really, all seemed somewhat fine and we were getting a decent hold onto the northwest, I dont remember exactly when but It was during week 2 or 3 that we started to recruit somewhat randoms into the alliance, even though at the start of the server the agreement was that we would be a very closed alliance with mostly premades, but from what it seemed like some leaders got pretty hungry for that 1st place overall poppers, this is where some (Including me) started to question why we were doing it, but we never really got any proper answer at the time.
Meanwhile this was going on we got a couple MMs talking about us doing some Ops so we at Carmine and some other accounts got excited to see our first ally OP.
1 week later nothing further had happened, no MM saying it got delayd, nothing. So we asked on the skype chat and just got told that the leaders didnt have time to plan the OP, which is fair enough I guess would just have been nice with a MM canceling the OP so we were not waiting in vain.
Anyways we got closer to artis and some of us started having our own fun as we were starting to realize that OPs was probably not gonna happen this server, myself included.
This part Im gonna tell about now might seem irrelevant for this post but Ill come back to it later.
We were farming like many others and for some reason on this server spiking/not telling about chiefing a village was pretty normal things, so me and my dual was like lets teach one of these chiefers to not just spike their villages, so we sent one of our play hammers towards him late night followed by some cata waves, this resulted in a somewhat destroyed village and one of his alliance members following us home so we lost a decent chuck of that hammer. Anyways well return to this a bit later
We got even closer to artis and when they finally arrived we got a pretty decent amount compared to other alliances, sadly we only got a large haste which I have to thank Donkey for clearing and letting us take it, so we were then like well time to hunt for artis.
We started to make some ops with our close friends (mainly tombo) to try and steal a small haste from the alliance SC, but in the end we actually managed to steal their small trainer instead, we got pretty satisfied at the moment since now we were in control of a small trainer and could use it to our likings, or atleast we thought for the time being.
We got told right after we sent our hammers that the leaders would agree to us taking the arti for a small week to rebuild our loss and after that we would be forced to share it with some other people that had told the leaders they would be building WWR/WWKs, we were not that unhappy with that descicion since we dont mind teamplay, but when we then also was told the only way we would get a share on the trainer was to build a WWR, we got pretty upset. We agreed to play nice and agreed to do a cap rammer for the alliance.
During this time we had kept in mind the player that follow us home, wanting to take revenge for doing so.
So we started to plan an OP towards the alliance that was known as ITALY at the time, but few hours before we actually was ready to send we got shut down by leaders since they apparently had made some agreements with ITALY about them being our deffers (mainly for WW deff in the end). We got pretty mad and kept fighting for a chance to hit them over the next 3 weeks or so, but every time we got told that it had been voted amongst the leaders. We just couldnt understand what we then heard, a little before arti release if I recall correctly our good friend Tombo had been promoted to leader, So at this stage the leadership was: Donkey, Jeff, Gary, Martin, Tombo and then the primeleader Felix.
We decided to start digging around who was against ITALY and who had voted yes for taking them as deffer.
We ofc firstly asked our friend tombo if he could shine some light on who was against and who wasnt but he didnt wanna tell us anything but his vote which is fair enough.
We then asked the rest of the leaders and what we came up with was:
Donkey, Martin, Tombo had voted NO
Gary, Jeff and Felix voted YES
So we asked how did that then end up with us teaming up with them, and thats when I first heard that Felix was apparently our main leader aka his words was the law.
Anyways we decided to just get over it and continue building our hammers.
We had been placed on a rotation with Blueberry and Felix which in the start sounded pretty decent, since Tombo had told me Felix was a good player and Blueberry seemed like a nice guy. But boy we were wrong with the part about Felix. We finally got an insight to how little he actually was around, he was here for arti pickups late almost every time, one of the times we had to ask Blueberry to log onto Felixs account as he was sitting him to remove troops from the village and we would then send along cats to destroy the treasury, this is when we got curious and asked about his numbers and what a horror we was greeted with, the numbers was lower than ours, and that is with felix basically never hitting anything but a small arti if I recall correct, and we had lost everything in our cap(The rammer vill) at day 35-36 yet Felix only had like 70-80% of our hammer size even though he was building in a non cap, we then followed up and asked for queue times and this is when I basically fell of my chair, it was something along the line of 50/25/110 at the time he needed to hand over the arti, when we were running on a 48 hour sharing circle so he should have had 108 in all to actually not drop queues. Blueberry also told us that quite a decent chuck of these queues was only thanks to him being a good sitter and doing queues for Felix.
We decided to contact Donkey how come felix was on a trainer share when it was clear he was not capable to be on one and was just greeted with the pretty auberginety excuse of them not having others wanting to build WWR/WWKs and when we continued to question their decisions we ended up being ignored for the day, so we asked Tombo to bring it up in leaders chat but that also seemed to just being ignored for the most part.
The next couple of weeks didnt bring much to us, they consisted mainly of people quitting and then what happened to Frode(Placebo) which he already has told about here on the forums so no reason to say anything to this part. Only thing I wanna add to his is that its so great seeing a small AA being used on a player like Felix when it could have been on Placebo.
We then came closer to the WW time and leaders made one of their few decent decisions when they asked us at Carmine to hold the WW instead of our ever AFK leader Felix, we agreed to do so since it was likely both me and my duals last server so would be a nice way to end. Then came the realization that we needed to actually clear the WW, so leaders started looking around for player hammers to help clear the WW but guess what, we basically had none left since every single hammer except a very few had been turned into WW hammers, we got asked if we would be able to use one of our play hammers but we said no for the single reason that we at this point already felt we had given so much to this alliance compared to what we had gotten in return. They managed to find the hammers to clear it and we then got our WW.
A little extra story to tell before Ill start directly talking about my point of view on each leader.
A little after we took the WW we got asked if we had any issues with the ITALY players to join the alliance and we told the leaders we would certainly not be happy about it, and we knew we were far from the only ones saying this, yet the morning after we got on to see a bunch of new players in the alliance, so we decided to show how unhappy we were with this by kicking our sitters(Suicidesquad) and ignore all leaders on skype throughout the day(We made sure to ALWAYS have either of us here in the time so nothing bad happened to the WW) And boy the leaders got turned on by this, finally we were not being ignored, but instead of apologizing they all had their weird ways to react, Firstly Jeff was pretty calm and decided to just say that when we were ready to talk about it he was ready, Donkey on the other hand sent us a message on skype saying If you do not answer right away I will not hesitate to call on the entire alliance to zero you guys We waited an hour more (at this stage we had ignored leaders for 8-10 hours) and we then took contact to leaders. And all they said at this stage was that we should wait as they would have a vote to see if Bilbo should take the WW instead of us, 1 day later we were told that if we promised to not do something alike we would keep it, so we just said sure.
Anyways let us get to the fun part I guess, where I will tell you my point of view on each of the leaders.
Lets start with the few good ones.
Martin: Not much to say about him as a leader since it was very little I saw/heard of him and his work as a leader, only thing to say is that it seems like we have the same opinions on a lot of stuff.
Tombo: This might be biased but I dont care much he with martin was 1 of the 2 good leaders this alliance saw, he gave everything he could, was very active compared to other leaders even though he had said he wouldnt be around that much since he was busy with work etc. Tombo was one of the few leaders able to see the other leaders mistakes most of which I have covered in the top part. But sadly since most other leaders had the same opinions on stuff he couldnt do much about it. At some point Donkey fully seriously asked Tombo if he was a spy for T-Rex which at that point tombo withdrew from being a leader since he couldnt be asked to deal with those kind of accusations based on nothing.
Gary: Basically have nothing to say about Gary since we basically never got a single MM from him, never talked much on skype, so yeah Ill skip him.
Felix: Hopefully I can leave this in short, First of all how did this guy manage to keep his spot as main leader over this entire server when he was not even around 1-2 hours a day on average, is completely beyond me. His ability to also make sure that he was on a small AA rotation is also impressive even when I and others several times pointed out that he could clearly not handle it. Every time someone went to him with an issue they got some lame excuse back and even if you managed to counter that you would just get some ridiculous stuff as You gonna throw another tantrum or if this all happened in the main alliance chat he would just try and find some way to make fun of the guy that had some issue, I for once got called a Fat something once by Felix when he had no counters to my complains.
All in all Felix is not a guy capable to be main leader nor a regular leader, atleast not with him being as inactive as he have been this server, when he also chooses to ignore every complain even from the people that was with us from the start he should not be a leader.
Donkey: I actually liked donkey in the start, seemed like a nice guy with the same opinions as me, the main issue I ended up having with Donkey was that he was one of those under leaders so scared of the main leader that he never wanted to question Felixs decisions. I asked him atleast once or twice why he never was able to do anything against Felixs decisions when the majority of the leaders was on the opposite side, and all I got was We decided to make Felix main leader from the start, so we will stick to that At which point I just laughed. I truly think that behind that scared guy there is a pretty decent leader hidden, but I sadly saw very little of him.
Jeff: I started out quite early disliking him quite a bit since I know he was the one that got the whole deal with ITALY started, and Im fairly sure he was the one that managed to talk Felix into overruling the other leaders when it came to the vote, he was also one of those leaders always saying I will get some OPs planned very soon But never managed to get a single one going. Other than that I dont have much to say about him in the early part of the game. Come late game I got to know him better though since he was the ones that would be sitting our account(The WW) As I said earlier he was actually taking the whole ignoring leaders for a day quite fine, so at this stage I was on a neutral state when it came to my opinion on him, But then came the time we finally started to get incs on a lot of hammer vills and other important villages (3x/plan) and every single time he asked for deff for his hammers (a few times for plan/3x aswell, although a lot of their deff was thanks to my PDs and the awesome amount of deff tombo could pull out) never was the deff sent to other hammers which resulted in both donkey and Blueberry caping their hammer vills as they were the ones it ended out being real on. As a small note in the end, Jeff might single handedly lost us this server, we had 99 queued in the 100 right after and when 99 was getting somewhat close to being done he decided ALONE to just cancel it out of nothing this might not seems that bad, but if he had not done that the ww would have reached 99 pretty late in the evening which might have caught some people offguard (NUTS and T-Rex) so who knows the server could have been over already.
Think Ill keep it to this as Ive already wrote way too much, but a few final notes:
I know that Im far from the perfect person and Ive done my few mistakes this server, but I had to show people how our leaders are, since from the outside it surely seems like a pretty good alliance when on the inside its not even close to good.
Everything I have written here is my opinion on the leaders, and all the story I had along with this post is what I have been able to snap up from asking the leaders and reading in the chats we had on skype etc. what might have been going on further down I cannot say.
All the people I have mentioned in this are more than welcome to come and give me their opinion of what I have said, and to the rest of you thanks for the server and hope to see you again on another one.
TL:DR - Read the post you lazy bananas ;)